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Ok, we can all agree that ...Interesting Thought: <br /><br />Ok, we can all agree that the double standard I mentioned before is pretty much true in Superhero comics, but could this be a reflection of the fact that, since most comic writer's are male, that this is a reflection of our own perceptions/fears.<br /><br />We assume that the worst thing that can happen to a woman is being the victim of sexual assault, also, as males, when we think of 'what's the worst thing that could happen' to us, we think of someone we care about being assaulted (in the worst imaginable way) without us being able to stop it. That is, at no point, do we think of ourselves as being raped as being the worst thing that could happen to us (as men) and, arguably, having the assault be directed at someone close to ourselves is even worse. Most likely, this has to do with male typically being seen as handling the role of 'protector' with superheroes just being an exagerrated version of that... so, the worst thing you can have happen to a superhero, the ultimate protector, is have him fail to protect.<br /><br />Does that make any sense? Mostly just thinking out loud here...scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-28175822926649890312010-03-04T11:11:29.356-05:002010-03-04T11:11:29.356-05:00I think that my slip-up was telling - no one uses ...I think that my slip-up was telling - no one uses yonic OR yonical. :)<br /><br />I think that its being archaic has something to do with its disuse. Freud's language also had a lot of influence on gender studies, and Freud contrasts the phallic with lack, not with the yonic. And when gender studies folks use phallic as a descriptor, it's with Freud's meaning in mind - its origin is incidental.neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-43223194764546184602010-03-03T18:26:02.649-05:002010-03-03T18:26:02.649-05:00Neil,
I didn't say Yonical... but is 'Yon...Neil,<br /><br />I didn't say Yonical... but is 'Yonic' not a proper gender studies term? Has it been replaced by vaginal symbol? Because I do have oh so much fun getting my students to guess what a 'Yonic' symbol is....scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-64373706430237699112010-03-03T18:09:11.148-05:002010-03-03T18:09:11.148-05:00Well, for every writer taking big steps forward, s...Well, for every writer taking big steps forward, some writers are taking huge leaps back...<br /><br />http://www.comixexperience.com/blog/david/david-loses-his-shit-on-justice-league-cry-for-justice-7/Grahamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-27340524569421760412010-03-03T16:48:18.695-05:002010-03-03T16:48:18.695-05:00Peter David has commented that when he had the Hul...Peter David has commented that when he had the Hulk get raped in "Future Imperfect," nobody seemed to be too bothered for some reason.<br /><br />I can't believe no one seems to find that couplet funny but me.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-25152653802943067152010-03-03T16:44:33.610-05:002010-03-03T16:44:33.610-05:00As a gender studies guy, I can tell you that no on...As a gender studies guy, I can tell you that no one says 'yonical'. Vaginal or feminine, depending on your preference and politics, yes.neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-33985688022492983292010-03-03T05:33:15.480-05:002010-03-03T05:33:15.480-05:00Thematically it's the same ending then, isn...Thematically it's the same ending then, isn't it? Either way the crazy women realises that she cannot be trusted with power - the only difference in the alternate take is that she isn't killed for it.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-73514247230630069762010-03-03T02:22:08.086-05:002010-03-03T02:22:08.086-05:00Scott,
the pyschic lobotomy wasn't the actual...Scott,<br /><br />the pyschic lobotomy wasn't the actual intended ending to overall Phoenix Saga though, just Uncanny #137.<br /><br />Claremont's intention was to have Magneto offer to restore Jean's power in #150 (which still wound up being a key issue, but for a very different reason), and have Jean turn it down.<br /><br />The second "What If.. Phoenix had Lived" (#32-33) story from the early 90s uses that version of events and the scene of Jean momentarily having the Phoenix power again and then turning it aside, despite not being written by Claremont* or drawn by one of his collaborators is one of the more powerful moments in the Claremont oeuvre.<br /><br />Now yes, Jean Grey is still depowered in this version, but she's ultimately shown as triumphant, for having the strength of will to resist the temptation Magneto offers her.<br /><br />*Claremont's credited as a plotter on the two issues.Joe Gualtierinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-73074128090954318302010-03-02T12:43:36.642-05:002010-03-02T12:43:36.642-05:00Just read the Byrne thing... man, dude has ISSUES....Just read the Byrne thing... man, dude has ISSUES.... at least Claremont was TRYING to do some positive stuff.<br /><br />Jason,<br /><br />For the record, refresh my memory: who wanted the psychic lobotomy ending to Dark Phoenix and who decided in the self-sacrifice angle?scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-13166417740588884742010-03-02T12:33:49.078-05:002010-03-02T12:33:49.078-05:00Jason: The panels in the article are both from Cla...Jason: The panels in the article are both from Claremont comics, no? So, in the interest of balance, Claremont sans Byrne also did some not-so-great stuff with female heroes.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-57360467891308723192010-03-02T12:20:32.782-05:002010-03-02T12:20:32.782-05:00This brings up an interesting double standard in S...This brings up an interesting double standard in Superhero comics:<br /><br />The worst thing you can do to a female character is have them be sexually assaulted.<br /><br />The worst thing you can do to a male character is to have a female character he cares about be sexually assaulted.scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-1696442850155695872010-03-02T12:19:00.355-05:002010-03-02T12:19:00.355-05:00This brings up an interesting double standard in s...This brings up an interesting double standard in superhero comics:<br /><br />The worst thing you can do to a female character is have them be sexually assaulted.<br /><br />The worst thing you can do to a male character is sexually assault a female character that he cares about.scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-84513414193924891072010-03-02T11:57:09.681-05:002010-03-02T11:57:09.681-05:00Thanks for the link, James.
Yes, indeed, deeply D...Thanks for the link, James.<br /><br />Yes, indeed, deeply DEEPLY misogynistic. Shame on Claremont.<br /><br />Especially when Claremont married her off to the Black Panther. No, wait ...Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-89654255142524172012010-03-02T11:20:39.554-05:002010-03-02T11:20:39.554-05:00The new female Hawkeye in "Young Avengers&quo...The new female Hawkeye in "Young Avengers" had sexual assault in her backstory to explain why she learned her fighting skills.<br /><br />Inertia in the Supreme Power series had a sexual assault in her backstory as well. As a superhero she is a bitter, man-hating psychopath.<br /><br />Dove (Dawn Granger) was sexually assaulted by Hawk I while she was in a coma. This was written by Geoff Johns.<br /><br />I'd say things have become much worse in the past ten years, not better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-74354753908678112992010-03-02T05:26:30.177-05:002010-03-02T05:26:30.177-05:00Claremont sans Byrne.<a href="http://www.digitalfemme.com/journal/index.php?itemid=1073" rel="nofollow">Claremont sans Byrne.</a>Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-47920631749008393352010-03-02T04:27:56.502-05:002010-03-02T04:27:56.502-05:00I would like to point out that back when Geoff did...I would like to point out that back when Geoff did a blog posting asking for people to post some of their favorite rhymes from songs and poems (he did do this, right?), I posted a great couplet from a "Modern Major General" parody meant to be sung by Xena the Warrior Princess:<br /><br />"My armory is brazen but my weapons are ironical./My sword is rather phallic but my chakram's rather yonical."<br /><br />Also, John Byrne co-plotted the Dark Phoenix saga. I blame all the misogynistic aspects of that story on him. My proof is that Claremont sans Byrne did a lot of great stuff with female heroes, including all the major developments with Kitty Pryde throughout the 80s (without which nothing Whedon did with the character would have meant anything at all, blah blah blah, sorry, wasn't planning on doing this rant again ...!)<br /><br />Whereas Byrne sans Claremont gave us this stuff:<br /><br />http://www.heroplay.com/features/articles/display.php?id=27Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-84688908094793088922010-03-02T03:59:43.494-05:002010-03-02T03:59:43.494-05:00KAW, no need to be annoyed.
"Phallic" i...KAW, no need to be annoyed.<br /><br />"Phallic" is actually Latin, not Greek, and it turns out that there's a Latin word for "vaginal", too.<br /><br />...that would be, "vaginal".Paul Faragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16593799976249334272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-589840414662276602010-03-01T22:23:13.293-05:002010-03-01T22:23:13.293-05:00G,
Thanks, that's what I call them when expla...G,<br /><br />Thanks, that's what I call them when explaining them to my Lit. classes.scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-47284964984667953272010-03-01T22:13:40.150-05:002010-03-01T22:13:40.150-05:00Scott -- Quote of the week, and also AGREED!Scott -- Quote of the week, and also AGREED!Geoff Klockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-709842486640726092010-03-01T18:18:11.799-05:002010-03-01T18:18:11.799-05:00KAW,
Actually, now that you mention it, I believe...KAW,<br /><br />Actually, now that you mention it, I believe someone pointed out the Yonic V. Phallic in Watchmen in the previous discussion is well.<br /><br />My feeling is that we should do away with all pretenses and call them 'PeePee' and 'HooHa' symbols.scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-36969761233611234432010-03-01T16:34:20.598-05:002010-03-01T16:34:20.598-05:00Though I don't recall who pointed out the phal...Though I don't recall who pointed out the phallic nature of 10-mile bullets, it should probably be mentioned that Watchmen also has a triumph of the yonic (space squid) over the phallic (missiles).<br /><br />Am I the only one annoyed that our terms for resembling genitals come from different languages? Someone should write the linguistic relationship guide Women are from Sanskrit, Men are from Greek.Kyle Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11585645795214120227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-5988646651419732472010-03-01T13:54:12.221-05:002010-03-01T13:54:12.221-05:00Good point about Stephanie Brown, Casey!
Speakin...Good point about Stephanie Brown, Casey! <br /><br />Speaking of Female Robins... how does Carrie Kelley's depiction in The Dark Knight Strikes factor in?<br /><br />Graham's last post featured a link to a cartoon that parodied Miller's inability to write women who were not prostitutes-- or at least dress that way-- Carrie Kelley came to mind as a good example. However, in the final chapter of DKSA she is brutalized by the mutated former Robin... whose name just happens to be 'Dick'scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-30499781233347593922010-03-01T11:46:51.729-05:002010-03-01T11:46:51.729-05:00Whoops, second line is supposed to say "that ...Whoops, second line is supposed to say "that Whedon accomplished".<br /><br />SORRY.Casey Malonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624452358204959703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-67525132897757508142010-03-01T11:45:57.089-05:002010-03-01T11:45:57.089-05:00Spot on interpretation of Astonishing. With that, ...Spot on interpretation of Astonishing. With that, the redemption of Cyclops, and the return of Colossus, it's shocking how much that accomplished. Especially when Morrison, a writer I like a great deal more than Whedon, had pretty visible trouble with the X-Men.<br /><br />I'm not sure the last ten years have been that much better to lady characters... Though the indignities have gotten a little more subtle than being stuffed into a fridge. Here are some from the top of my head: <br /><br />Black Cat - In the Kevin Smith mini-series, the character was re-written in such a way that her major motivation for becoming Black Cat was rape. <br /><br />Cassandra Cain/Batgirl 2 - Batgirl was a really strong character that, after DC's "One Year Later" jump spent a lot of her time being manipulated by men or her motivation focused on male characters... mostly Deathstroke. <br /><br />Stephanie Brown/Spoiler/Robin 4/Batgirl 3 - This one is tricky... Tim Drake's ex-girlfriend, she gets promoted to the new Robin mostly as a way for Batman to manipulate Tim after he quits. In order to earn Batman's approval, she kicks off a plan to fight crime, but screws it up so badly that she ends up starting a gang war in Gotham City that leads to her being tortured and killed by Black Mask. Despite the fact that she died, and was a Robin, she never gets a "memorial case" in the Batcave... The hardcore (see: Scans Daily) fans were so upset by this treatment that eventually they brought her back to life and made her the new Batgirl... but I think that took about 8 years of complaining by fans for DC to even admit that they maybe mistreated the character. <br /><br />Chris Sims also writes about some real problems with Wonder Woman and Star Sapphire (specifically as they relate to Blackest Night) here: http://www.the-isb.com/?p=3052<br /><br />(Even though I agree with him, Rucka's run of Wonder Woman, Gotham Central, and Queen & Country are some of the best comics with female leads I've read this decade. Actually, I can even drop the female lead qualifier and still feel that way.)<br /><br />Supergirl - She's generally presented in a highly sexualized way, despite that she's a 16 year old girl. In her very first story she spends a lot of time getting manipulated by Darkseid.<br /><br />I know there are more examples, because I remember being disappointed or outraged on a fairly regular basis about this stuff over the last decade, but these are the ones that sprung to mind immediately.<br /><br />-Casey-Casey Malonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17624452358204959703noreply@blogger.com