tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post3186811099606761783..comments2024-03-29T02:32:15.437-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Jason Powell on Uncanny X-Men #227Geoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-304494528149465252009-06-25T12:21:37.007-04:002009-06-25T12:21:37.007-04:00Something that never rang true with me with the Fa...Something that never rang true with me with the Fall of the Mutants was the curious lack of involvement of the Avengers or the Fantastic Four. The storyline crossed into Captain America, Power Pack, and Daredevil, yet the major superhero teams besides the X-Men and X-Factor sat the major battles out. And you can't say they're in space or in another dimension. It's stated plainly that they're being "held in reserve until it can be determined which (Reality warp in Dallas of attack of the Four Horsemen and giant spaceship in New York) is the greater threat." You're telling me that the FF and the Avengers would sit it out, on the government's say-so, especially when New York (where the FF and Avengers live) is under attack? And they had manpower to cover both crisis; this was a time when there was a west coast team of Avengers. You'd think they could have gone to Dallas and helped the X-Men and Freedom Force while the FF and the other Avengers team pitched in to defend New York. Usually the explanation for "all the other superheroes" sitting out the conflict is that they're otherwise occupied, but this storyline acknowledges they're available and gives a really lame explanation as to why they're not showing up. Claremont should have gone with the tried-and-true "They're away on another mission" explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-10270348459997226032009-06-25T11:38:01.234-04:002009-06-25T11:38:01.234-04:00Shlomo, it was because Forge was the idiot who ena...Shlomo, it was because Forge was the idiot who enabled the Adversary to get a foothold on Earth- Storm went looking for Forge and the other X-Men followed.<br />MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-82329822090119314112009-06-25T10:11:39.167-04:002009-06-25T10:11:39.167-04:00I'm not really familiar with this whole story ...I'm not really familiar with this whole story arc, but Im curious: is there ever any mention of why this cosmic/metaphysical struggle ends up involving mutants as opposed to any other champions/pawns? just curious...Shlomonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-12752660650008131012009-06-24T12:05:51.081-04:002009-06-24T12:05:51.081-04:00Right, as deadly as they know the Marauders to be-...Right, as deadly as they know the Marauders to be--and as unskilled as this particular group of X-Men were as far as teamwork as of this point--they probably thought it was wiser to prepare and search, and then strike.<br /><br />With the "rebirth" that all the characters go through you'd think that Wolverine would be back to full power, as it were. It seems like after this he continues to go somewhat downhill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-38830030377351243202009-06-23T22:50:07.188-04:002009-06-23T22:50:07.188-04:00The idea that there was some mental manipulation f...The idea that there was some mental manipulation from Maddie doesn't work- it requires that (a)Roma doesn't notice ,(b)that Maddie want to find Nathan before she dies,suddenly not want to find Nathan, and then want to find Nathan again in issue 230 and (c)that Maddie was doing this subconsciously,since she didn't know she had powers yet.<br />MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-11068378566452682332009-06-23T20:19:44.962-04:002009-06-23T20:19:44.962-04:00ba,
Roma was captured as soon as the Adversary sh...ba,<br /><br />Roma was captured as soon as the Adversary showed up. It basically appeared to be a cosmic balance thing - this was the Adversary's hour, and Roma could not hinder him.<br /><br />My best No-Prize guess is that Storm and Forge were taken by the same rule - the Adversary was in control, and he decided their role was to be front row witnesses to the end of creation. ALL creation, since they had declined his offer to run the new Earth he had prepared. The rest of the X-Men are allowed to run free because that makes the game more fun, but the outcome is never in doubt for the Adversary. Look who hurts him first - Longshot, whose powers put him outside the realm of the rules for this conflict. Seconds later, the Adversary notices Colossus (the ringer) for the first time and gets trashed by him. That's when it becomes the X-Men's inning, indicated by Forge and Storm breaking free from the pillar, though Roma is still cosmic enough that the Adversary's mere presence binds her. Does that work?<br /><br />And, since we're coming up on Jason's stuff that will point out that Colossus is continually armored as a sign that the X-Men are harder, I'll point out again that here, the Adversary is injured by Colossus and cries out against not only Colossus' steel but the purity of his spirit.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04480022982363984291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-64789699917240598262009-06-23T19:29:08.856-04:002009-06-23T19:29:08.856-04:00Anonymous, my guess is that they wanted to set up ...Anonymous, my guess is that they wanted to set up a new base before heading out to strike at the marauders, which did indeed seem to be part of their plan.<br /><br />Now, my question is this - at what point did storm, forge, and roma get captured and tied up in her citadel?bahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892528094367274617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-8760481665764439802009-06-23T19:28:55.040-04:002009-06-23T19:28:55.040-04:00Good question, Michael. I like your solution as w...Good question, Michael. I like your solution as well.<br /><br />Another possibility is that there was some mental manipulation from Maddie Pryor going on (though that only works if you buy the ret-con that she was already going "evil" as early back as this).Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-7587872327723787272009-06-23T14:11:24.006-04:002009-06-23T14:11:24.006-04:00Here's a question I've heard asked over th...Here's a question I've heard asked over the years- why didn't the X-Men ask Roma to teleport them directly to the Marauders so that they could rescue Nate and Lorna? The best answer I can come up with is that they didn't know what Sinister's powers were or what sort of defenses the Marauders' headquarters contained and they were worried that rushing in blindly would endanger Nate and Lorna.<br />MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-32850785387010683892009-06-23T12:25:09.691-04:002009-06-23T12:25:09.691-04:00I've always wondered what Neal Conan thinks of...I've always wondered what Neal Conan thinks of his involvement in this story.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17731508853722652610noreply@blogger.com