tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post4212569888732080102..comments2024-03-28T03:13:15.831-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Grant Morrison's New X-Men 131Geoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-45694840509362156222007-03-22T11:20:00.000-04:002007-03-22T11:20:00.000-04:00roger: Sorry, my tone was probably unclear. When I...roger: Sorry, my tone was probably unclear. When I said 'it will only get worse', I meant for the people who object to Beast and Fantomex. <BR/><BR/>geoff: Yeah, I had always had difficulty naming the anxiety NXM could sometimes conjure, but I think that you're right to suggest that it's the ambiguity over whether Morrison is being mocking (hateful) or ironic (playful). There's a lot to suggest that Fantomex is of the latter sort but by the time Xorn is revealed to be Magneto it appears to be entirely of the former (whether or not I agree with what Morrison was trying to express, mind you). And then there are a lot of moments that are somewhere in between.neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-34080013840555155392007-03-21T16:44:00.000-04:002007-03-21T16:44:00.000-04:00Neil, Roger: we need to distinguish between charac...Neil, Roger: we need to distinguish between characters like Beast and Fantomex being mocking and ironic (I agree that they are) and Morrison himself being that way in his whole run, which is not as clear. One of the ways in which Morrison's New X-Men is bad is that it never gets a proper tone established -- at times it seems to mock, and then an issue later we have a 9-11 tribute. Morrison's JLA does try to top each issue in terms of scope -- which leads into the Authority and all the problems that followed -- but I am not sure that is mocking. It is hyperbole squared, but mocking suggests a hatred I do not think Morrison has toward the JLA. Again, on NXM it is hard to pin him down -- I will keep my eye on him doing this as we continue. This is very helpful. Thanks. <BR/><BR/>Matt: I bet you are right.Geoff Klockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-23234746558975697502007-03-21T14:40:00.000-04:002007-03-21T14:40:00.000-04:00Geoff, you're right about the Scott/Emma affair be...Geoff, you're right about the Scott/Emma affair being the real shakeup. In fact, I think it's just about the only element of Morrison's run that hasn't since been reversed. Somebody will probably split them up after Whedon stops writing Astonishing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13867868039166531163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-65336488448779050722007-03-21T12:15:00.000-04:002007-03-21T12:15:00.000-04:00but alot of Morrison's stuff edges into the mockin...but alot of Morrison's stuff edges into the mocking and ironic--see his JLA in which Morrison tried to see if he could top each storyline in terms of its scope. In my view, it ended up being a mockery of the book's (and by extension DC's) tendency toward the epic.Roger Whitsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728434263500252895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-8273928125765411142007-03-21T07:57:00.000-04:002007-03-21T07:57:00.000-04:00I remember at least a dozen people (probably more)...I remember at least a dozen people (probably more) actually freaking out over Darkstar's death on my message board. Another poster very wisely asked 'if you cared so much, why did you choose <I>this moment</I> to let everyone know?' I think, perhaps, that Beast and Fantomex had pushed the book in a direction that seemed too mocking and ironic. And it will, of course, only get worse.neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-65123331762811996432007-03-20T10:40:00.000-04:002007-03-20T10:40:00.000-04:00Roger -- I agree.Roger -- I agree.Geoff Klockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-68042131014550074522007-03-19T21:11:00.000-04:002007-03-19T21:11:00.000-04:00I still think that had they allowed Beast to be ga...I still think that had they allowed Beast to be gay, it could have been interesting. I don't think there are any gay mutants (with the exception of Northstar who hasn't shown up since right before Morrison's run). And that whole I want to "challenge preconceived notions" is just B.S. I always roll my eye at conferences when people say that they are "challenging the prevailing view" or giving a "radical account of" because most of the time they have no idea what the prevailing view is. <BR/><BR/>Instead of pontificating endlessly about being a joker and "challenging," just do something interesting and let other people call it "challenging."Roger Whitsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728434263500252895noreply@blogger.com