tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post4283582404489593678..comments2024-03-28T03:13:15.831-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Avatar: The Last Airbender Finale (spoilers)Geoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86589010936800767912009-12-17T03:30:05.515-05:002009-12-17T03:30:05.515-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-71016803259195628622009-12-11T07:21:47.353-05:002009-12-11T07:21:47.353-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-31211274873673543802008-08-08T14:42:00.000-04:002008-08-08T14:42:00.000-04:00Geoff: Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on...Geoff: Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on this — the endings you propose would have absolutely been more satisfying, traumatized kids be damned! I just wasn't sure, based on your post, whether you were saying death was a <I>necessary</I> price to pay.<BR/><BR/>Does Avatar really deserve a pass because it airs on Nickelodeon? Considering the level of maturity and sophistication of the show indepedent of its target demographic, I expected a more ambiguous/imperfect ending than the warm and fuzzy one we got. (I like the fact that Zuko's last question is never answered.)<BR/><BR/>For whatever reason, most TV and movie execs assume audiences of any age can't handle or even want finales which challenge them. Obviously, we can and do. Based on this site's comments threads, those endings seem to be the ones that have had the most lasting (presumably positive) impact on our young minds. The Dark Phoenix Saga is a good example for some of us. The ending of Robotech/Macross (and the death of Roy Fokker before that) is probably the biggest one from my early years.<BR/><BR/>Also — I know I'm quibbling here — I'd say Sokka's relationship with Suki mitigates the loss of Yue but doesn't completely reverse it, per his shushing Suki as they watched the reenactment. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-47633546382354430502008-08-08T12:49:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:49:00.000-04:00JL: But see they reversed Sokka's loss by giving h...JL: But see they reversed Sokka's loss by giving him a girlfriend at the end. It does not have to be death, but it could be Ang as a Monk, alone, or someone not being able to bend anymore -- or hell, i thought a good ending to the series would have been Ang removed the bending powers from the WOLRD -- saving it, but also ushering in the age we live in. <BR/><BR/>But you are right. All if this is unfair. Because it is a kids show. It would have been traumatic for younger audience members. Is just felt suddenly toothless to me at the end.Geoff Klockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-17487889514261237932008-08-08T12:03:00.000-04:002008-08-08T12:03:00.000-04:00VoE: Yeah, the Zuko-Iroh reunion scene is fantasti...VoE: Yeah, the Zuko-Iroh reunion scene is fantastic.<BR/><BR/>Geoff: "No one can die, which felt like the wrong kind of end for this show; someone will surely call me a sadist, but the journey needs to COST something." I agree that the journey came at no real cost to the heroes (aside from Sokka losing Princess Yue), but are you setting the only acceptable price at death for one of the main characters?<BR/><BR/>I also thought the show's creators were heading towards a Katara-Zuko pairing at the end of the second season, and I give them credit for addressing that in "The Ember Island Players" (along with the rumor that Aang is actually voiced by a woman). Having Aang single and alone at the end of the series would have been more in keeping with the trope of The Chosen One (and might have addressed the cost issue) but would probably have been somewhat traumatic for a younger/more sensitive audience member. :)<BR/><BR/>Matthew: Paranoia Agent is awesome!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-75784266176093575852008-08-08T11:05:00.000-04:002008-08-08T11:05:00.000-04:00Geoff: Sold. Avatar is something I had ignored bec...Geoff: Sold. Avatar is something I had ignored because I had assumed it was (ha!) a translation of an anime based on a manga based on a <I>myth</I>, rather than something self-contained and original. Now I'll have to get to it after I finish Battlestar Galactica (Season 2, disc 2) and The Wire (Season 1 sits there, unopened. <I>Judging me</I>.)Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-80793220693798174072008-08-08T10:54:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:54:00.000-04:00Oh, okay. I guess it depends on what kind of anim...Oh, okay. I guess it depends on what kind of anime you watch. I'm working my way through Paranoia Agent right now, and it's not like that at all. Maybe that's why I dig stuff by Satoshi Kon so much (he also did the movies Paprika, Perfect Blue, Millenium Actress, and Tokyo Godfathers): he's more cerebral than action-oriented. Really, I don't know if apocalyptic violence is especially prevalent, outside of stuff like Akira or Steamboy (maybe it's a Katsuhiro Otomo thing). Or maybe I just end up watching the quieter stuff.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I would say that anime is not a genre, but a style of animation and storytelling, which fits what you were saying, I think.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13867868039166531163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86297992541121025772008-08-08T10:48:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:48:00.000-04:00James: Avatar is three seasons of like maybe 20 ep...James: Avatar is three seasons of like maybe 20 episodes each. Each ep is 20 minutes, which makes it go by fast. <BR/><BR/>VoE: I meant the cost to the good guys. They good guys win but there has to be a cost. But see it is a kids show and I forgot about that. <BR/><BR/>GM: I did not say it was anime. I said it too the best of the genre (is genre the right word?)<BR/><BR/>43 Hiroshimas was supposed to mean stuff explodes in an apocalyptic was all the time.Geoff Klockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-33745589295337865182008-08-08T10:39:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:39:00.000-04:0043 Hiroshimas? What does that mean?43 Hiroshimas? What does that mean?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13867868039166531163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-73646642856607349512008-08-08T10:22:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:22:00.000-04:00It's one of those troublesome terms though, isn't ...It's one of those troublesome terms though, isn't it? Does anime refer exclusively to animation produced in Japan, or has it become a word that refers more to a visual/story-telling style?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-91936770101165820032008-08-08T10:07:00.000-04:002008-08-08T10:07:00.000-04:00I love your blog and I absolutely love Avatar the ...I love your blog and I absolutely love Avatar the Last Airbender.<BR/><BR/>However, for the sake of clarity, the series isn't anime. It's a cartoon certainly but it isn't anime. The show has a lot of the trappings and comedic shortcuts found in a lot of anime, the creators have been quoted quite freely about one of their main influences being anime in general but the show originated fully in the USA. Produced by Americans for primarily an American audience, originally in English only, financed and aired first by an American television network.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86015325561765187232008-08-08T08:59:00.000-04:002008-08-08T08:59:00.000-04:00I cried my eyes out at Zuko's scene with Iroh. The...I cried my eyes out at Zuko's scene with Iroh. They had a wonderful Falstaff/Hal relationship and the writers ended it the way Shakespeare probably wished he had.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry Doc Klock, but I just don't see Katara and Zuko (outside of Fan Fiction). Go Aang and Katara. ^-^<BR/><BR/>I think the cost was Azula's sanity. The final sight of her was that of a rejected and unloved child. She needed a mom and her father took that away from her.Patrick Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410343584813208100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-30490079867199550552008-08-08T08:33:00.000-04:002008-08-08T08:33:00.000-04:00His chakra was more so blocked by the almost fatal...His chakra was more so blocked by the almost fatal blast he took from Azula at the end of Book 2. If it wasn't for Katara and her special healing water he would've died. I also think that he didn't have to give up on Love, he had to make up the mistakes of the previous Avatar Roku.Julian Lytlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13564748540131812472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-7326260659210278032008-08-08T07:23:00.000-04:002008-08-08T07:23:00.000-04:00How long is this show (in terms of number of seaso...How long is this show (in terms of number of seasons, episodes per season etc.)? I haven't seen any, and I'm wondering how much of a time investment it'd be.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.com