tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post4489131732977732175..comments2024-03-28T03:13:15.831-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Jason Powell on Uncanny X-Men #206Geoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-72476613839140359762010-04-13T13:05:51.208-04:002010-04-13T13:05:51.208-04:00Well, Magneto didn't start out that way Jon......Well, Magneto didn't start out that way Jon...it seems Morrison and Millar are basing him on his Silver Age incarnation, when he was your typical conquer the world villain.<br /><br />I wonder if Claremont had the idea of making her a clone, even back here. Even if, as you say, this scene is "meta-commentary regarding the character’s treatment at the hands of X-Factor writer Bob Layton', in story, he'd need to solve who shot her...and since we do find out, even before FOTM, that Sinister sent the Marauders after her, you always wondered why. I wonder when the idea of her being a clone was decided.<br /><br />Another good issue. It was interesting to see the X-men whupped so badly here. <br /><br />Weren't the X-men always underdogs? That's always how I saw it, regardless of whether they were fighting for the establishment or not. And they're not completely hounded by all of the establishment; Bree and SFPD do help them out after their defeat.<br /><br />One nice scene in this issue: good to see that, even after becoming a harder character, Kitty still brings out the mother hen in Storm :)wwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-56822952688978180852009-03-24T23:55:00.000-04:002009-03-24T23:55:00.000-04:00I'm not sure who Jack Bauer is, but I think Clarem...I'm not sure who Jack Bauer is, but I think Claremont intentionally played down Magneto's racism. In the hands of incompetent writers who only understand the characters on the surface level (i.e. Mark Millar or Grant Morrison), Claremont's Magneto was adamantly opposed to dictatorships and wanted to create a world that would benefit all mankind, mutant or not. He says this explicitly in the GLMK story.<BR/><BR/>Magneto also stated in X-men 150 that his racism against humans is deeply ingrained psychological problem caused by his traumatic childhood -- "I remember the guards laughing as they herded my family to their deaths. As our lives became nothing to them, so human lives became nothing to me."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-290411095114515672009-03-24T10:44:00.000-04:002009-03-24T10:44:00.000-04:00Jon, the difference is that Magneto has a racism t...Jon, the difference is that Magneto has a racism that characters like Jack Bauer who are willing to use foul means to achieve noble ends don't.<BR/>MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-83915946177341081142009-03-23T15:53:00.000-04:002009-03-23T15:53:00.000-04:00Good points to think about; thank you, Jon.Good points to think about; thank you, Jon.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-9800527644094539832009-03-23T15:20:00.000-04:002009-03-23T15:20:00.000-04:00One comment:I don't think its fair to say Nightcra...One comment:<BR/><BR/>I don't think its fair to say Nightcrawlers view was "naively positive." His speech about being judged by the content of his character, not his looks, is very consistent with Xavier/Martin Luther King's "dream." Nightcrawler isn't advocating assimilation here so much as peaceful coexistence, which is subtly different.<BR/><BR/>I think the "new" X-men were pretty radical in their politics from the begining, and as I have said before, it is the original team that is Republican. <BR/><BR/>Reading back over the Magneto Savage Lang story, I think you may have been right. The way Magneto is written by Claremont here makes his return to "villain" entirely convincing. Its even debatable whether or not he is a villain or just a man who is sometimes willing to use foul means to achieve noble ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-88966050842620718722009-03-20T13:09:00.000-04:002009-03-20T13:09:00.000-04:00Some thoughts on claremont's indulgences:Claremont...Some thoughts on claremont's indulgences:<BR/>Claremont seems to have not wanted to kill Jean to begin with, but under duress, he was still able to craft a classic. But even before editorial resurrected Jean, Claremont himself couldnt let Jean go. Madeline pryor was claremont's first jean "stand-in" (before she was revealed to be an actual clone). Rachel was the second "stand-in" a daughter from the future. In a way editorial was giving him back what he always wanted, and couldnt seem to let go.<BR/><BR/>And then Morrison went and killed her again basically restoring the iconic status in the wake of the "dark Phoenix saga". At the same time that it was harkening back, it also was looking forward: New readers would expect the status of third x-men movie, in which once again Jean had been killed.<BR/><BR/>fascinating twists...<BR/><BR/>SHLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-2570408220222014002009-03-19T18:03:00.000-04:002009-03-19T18:03:00.000-04:00Re: Rogue's mind being taken over; Claremont has r...Re: Rogue's mind being taken over; Claremont has remarked before that control over her powers is purely a psychological issue. The fact that she doesn't really have psychosomatic control over her own body would lead me to believe that it would be relatively easy for someone else to take it over.bahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892528094367274617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-45485537955865405182009-03-19T17:08:00.000-04:002009-03-19T17:08:00.000-04:00Jason, I think that part of the coma plot was an a...Jason, I think that part of the coma plot was an attempt by Claremont to explain why Scott couldn't contact Maddie and the other part was to drive home just how badly Scott failed in his responsibilities.<BR/>MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-71784099282222194362009-03-19T16:16:00.000-04:002009-03-19T16:16:00.000-04:00Thanks, O!Thanks, O!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-10387017920260756122009-03-19T15:26:00.000-04:002009-03-19T15:26:00.000-04:00Great analysis, Jason. I'd never thought of Madely...Great analysis, Jason. I'd never thought of Madelyne's coma as anything other than Claremont's not knowing what else to do with her character. I love the notion that Claremont was commenting on the whole Jean Grey/X-Factor situation.<BR/><BR/>This idea also supports the theory (brought up in the comments section of one of your previous posts, I believe) that the characters ultimately responsible for Madelyne's condition are stand-ins for Marvel editorial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-21845909678939605792009-03-19T13:57:00.001-04:002009-03-19T13:57:00.001-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-9251173126402587652009-03-19T13:57:00.000-04:002009-03-19T13:57:00.000-04:00Michael, I s'pose, but if this were the case, Madd...Michael, I s'pose, but if this were the case, Maddie could have just moved somewhere else. A coma is pretty extreme. Especially since it happens in 206, and Rachel is written out in 209. It's not like there was time in that stretch of issues for the X-Men to jaunt to Alaska for a ski holiday.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-74752677361792736712009-03-19T11:55:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:55:00.000-04:00Jason, Maddie needed to be in a coma until after R...Jason, Maddie needed to be in a coma until after Rachel left for another reason. If Maddie told the X-Men Scott left her, Rachel could track Scott down with her "hound" powers, read his mind, and find out Jean was alive and X-Factor was a scam. So, Maddie's coma was another plot contrivance to postpone a meeting between X-Men and X-Factor.<BR/>The Spider-Woman thing is weird. She's written out of Freedom Force in an Avengers Annual, shows up in an Iron Man issue and a limited series is promised that never happens. I think putting her in Freedom Force was an editorial imposition. I don't think Claremont liked Jessica losing her powers and being replaced by Julia, though and Jessica's dialogue reflects it.<BR/>MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com