tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post5424415904004645069..comments2024-03-29T02:32:15.437-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Comics Out January 14, 2008 (Final Crisis 6)Geoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-79591046404547524772009-04-09T02:58:00.000-04:002009-04-09T02:58:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.sexyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00785835090328728639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-78264253367987029942009-01-16T17:07:00.000-05:002009-01-16T17:07:00.000-05:00Superman's look in the final scene worked rather w...Superman's look in the final scene worked rather well for me actually, the contrast with his rage in the previous panels made him seem to be holding in his emotions, which emphasised that he's got more to do. And I loved the shot of him slowing down to punch in the bunker door, great sense of momentum there.Verdancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14062788738549767062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-76433160423064631092009-01-16T13:22:00.000-05:002009-01-16T13:22:00.000-05:00The "Bruce Wayne" in the BATTLE FOR THE COWL as is...The "Bruce Wayne" in the BATTLE FOR THE COWL as is Hush from the "Heart of Hush" story running in Detective Comics. The bandages around the leg are the clue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-65095931044324698802009-01-15T16:29:00.000-05:002009-01-15T16:29:00.000-05:00Yeah - so I read it.I'd agree on some of the point...Yeah - so I read it.<BR/><BR/>I'd agree on some of the points made about the art, including that final page. Who IS Superman looking at there anyway? The colouring was particularly weak in this one. There are a few times he's synched up nicely on the right project, but people are forced to keep asking: Why does Morrison only get the artist he needs once every few goes round?<BR/><BR/>This is the first issue that's not blown me away, but I'm willing to hold off as the penultimate issue is often slightly weak sauce as it tries to set up for the pay off (although not usually with Morrison). Hopefully Billy Batson will get his moment in Superman Beyond!, as the the return of the purest and most innocent superhero to sort everything out just belongs in this melee (hell, even Waid and Alex Ross figured that out).<BR/><BR/>One thing I don't get: people need to go back and re-read Rock of Ages because I think just citing one as a rewrite (remix?) of the other is missing the point. At least, using it as a <I>criticism</I> is missing the point. <BR/><BR/>Just because they both feature "Batman vs Darkseid written by Grant Morrison" does not make them the same story (and neither does "oh yeah! And Darkseid's trying to destory the universe AGAIN!" Well shit, what the hell else is Darkseid <I>meant to be doing</I> in <I>any</I> story?). Anyway, in the JLA story it's Green Arrow and the Atom who have the "gotcha" moment and it's a joy. (For my money, Morrison DID write the Black Racer better in Rock of Ages, but different times call for different instances of everyone's favourite skiing avatar of death).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13843014015527136142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-84776322405002406402009-01-15T12:58:00.000-05:002009-01-15T12:58:00.000-05:00Yeah, I noticed the Batman/Darkseid thing as well:...Yeah, I noticed the Batman/Darkseid thing as well: he's continuing to cut/edit/paste moments from Rock of Ages. I can't decide if there is some analysis to be done with that, or what. <BR/><BR/>I want to say that the Ray's prominence in this series is some kind of parallel to the New God lightray, the same way Orion & Martian Manhunter paralleled one another in the first issue, but Lightray hasn't been in this series yet. <BR/><BR/>I did actually like this issue (and there's a really neat storytelling trick in the middle of pages 2-3, where the scene "skips" like a scratched record), but yes, there are definetly some problems with the story still. I'm actually still totally unclear as to why there are multiple Earths floating around, and that seems like it should be a central part of the story by now.Matt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780688232878059439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-67378340193611439112009-01-15T12:47:00.000-05:002009-01-15T12:47:00.000-05:00This issue did nothing for me. Wait, no, that's w...This issue did nothing for me. Wait, no, that's wrong. It made me mad. <BR/><BR/>For every golden "Morrison" moment, there were three that utterly failed. <BR/><BR/>There's so much going on in this book, no one story really gets the attention it deserves. There's enough in here for several really good books, but whereas Morrison is usually able to balance Big Ideas with emotional resonance, here's it all ideas with no one to care about. <BR/><BR/>I understand the Black Canary/Green Arrow thread, but I don't care. <BR/><BR/>Same w/the Tattooed Man. <BR/><BR/>And the Flashes. <BR/><BR/>Not to mention the various errors throughout the story. <BR/><BR/>If the earth is on Green Lantern lock down, how do the ships make it to the JL satellite?<BR/><BR/>Why is Mister Miracle white all of the sudden? <BR/><BR/>Why is Mr. Terrific's big plan to run away? <BR/><BR/>Why is the big battle in Bludhaven, and only involves three or four superheroes?<BR/><BR/>Why am I supposed to care about Talking Tawny, and why does he get more screen time than anyone else? <BR/><BR/>How did Wonder Woman make people sick?<BR/><BR/>What did Sivana mean by "and that's a classic 'we haven't heard the last of him'..." is Libra supposed to look like he disappeared, as opposed to it looking like he was actually killed? <BR/><BR/>Why does Batman vs. Darkseid only make me realize that I saw this already? Ah, I've got the answer to that one. JLA: Rock of Ages. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, this got really long. Whole thing just chaps my hide.Lou Noblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05636393394328099860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86066440657234328792009-01-15T12:25:00.000-05:002009-01-15T12:25:00.000-05:00I'm glad I'm not the only one who slowed down at 3...I'm glad I'm not the only one who slowed down at 3 billion free people being left. That seemed way high for the ideas I had in the earlier issues.<BR/><BR/>This whole series for me just seems to scream out that I should care, but doesn't back it up with any reasons to care.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04480022982363984291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-72644718368871739472009-01-15T11:43:00.000-05:002009-01-15T11:43:00.000-05:00I didn't hate the art like you did, but I agree th...I didn't hate the art like you did, but I agree that Superman's rampage at the end seemed oddly unfocused - surprising, since Mahnke is usuall such a reliable artist. <BR/><BR/>Actually, speaking of Mahnke, the only really big, horrible art failure for me in this issue was Superman's face on that final page. He needs to look more enraged, or saddened, or something. His face and posture needed to evoke his feelings right there and he just looks like a statue. Maybe I'm the only one, but that really bothered me and undermined the whole moment.<BR/><BR/>Did anyone else think it was funny that right after that page was a two page spread for Battle for the Cowl, featuring, apparently Bruce Wayne totally alive and fine off to the side? Talk about undermining the moment.Matt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780688232878059439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86203002524954045622009-01-15T10:51:00.000-05:002009-01-15T10:51:00.000-05:00Geoff - "An interesting revision of the Supergirl ...Geoff - "An interesting revision of the Supergirl death" - nice catch! (How did that pass me by? I am dumb.) Likewise the double death thing - more of the "apocryphal continuity" Morrison invented to explain the indignities and hassles of having to conform to editorial mandate. Although I don't think Hurt needs to be an incarnation of Darkseid, but rather, they're both the same couple of c*nts who're always trying it on, but this time, it's the structure of the event comic Final Crisis itself that's destabilised by their presence (the pacing of the series is completely skewed - a comparison to the predecessors in the trilogy Infinite Earths/Crisis would be interesting but I am not the man for the job). In the last issue, surely, everything's going to unfold and open out and people can breathe again.<BR/><BR/>And then, Morrison will be gone, at least for a while, reincarnating as the writer of Vertigo books like Seaguy 2, superhero-free before taking up Batman again next summer. I think he needs the break, personally.<BR/><BR/>Simon - Morrison's on record somewhere (Publishers Weekly interview this week I think) as saying that Batman's story comes full circle: The gun makes him begin his quest to battle evil and he ends up using the gun to eradiacte Evil Itself and complete his mission/life ("gotcha").<BR/><BR/>I haven't read this issue yet, but Final Crisis has been very strong so far for me. The different tones it's sustained and the pitches it hits have affected me more like music than anything else: the saturated, shriek-in-the-woods horror-ambience of Nadja and Burzum, the camp militaristic histrionics of Marilyn Manson, Rammstein and Laibach ("I. Am. The. New God." Bitch, please.) A touch of Zeppelin and even notes of Queen, all with Four Tet lapping round the edges. But I think I'm ready for the gallop home now.<BR/><BR/>I cannot wait to read this.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13843014015527136142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-79411377224003873492009-01-15T10:01:00.000-05:002009-01-15T10:01:00.000-05:00I'll have to agree that the art was a mess in this...I'll have to agree that the art was a mess in this book. <BR/><BR/>The Kalibak/Tawny fight was my favourite part of the issue. We are supposed to believe that this is the end of the world. In a situation like this I can see the usual mild mannered Tawny taking extreme actions and be willing to kill in order to so his part to save the world.<BR/><BR/>The way that I read the his "adjusting the tie" was that he was preparing to die. He did his bit by taking out Kalibak and he wanted to go out a proper gentleman. He was more surprised than anyone when he wasn't attacked by Kalibak's henchmen.<BR/><BR/>Pages 26-29 were very strong. Batman using a gun to kill Darkseid, or at least his physical form, breaks the two major Batman tenets. No guns and no killing. It's only logical that Batman would die after breaking his own rules. Of course this is putting aside the earlier Batman who used guns and killed with impunity. <BR/><BR/>Mind you I too was confused and had to re-read the pages a few times as I thought one of the flashes ran in and grabbed Batman before the Omega beam hit. That's how bad the art was on that panel.Simon MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14749383583517044214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-69939385670894847872009-01-15T09:27:00.000-05:002009-01-15T09:27:00.000-05:00Oh, and Final Crisis #6 is in my bag, unread. It's...Oh, and Final Crisis #6 is in my bag, unread. It's calling to me like the One Ring.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-31637496286824805282009-01-15T09:26:00.000-05:002009-01-15T09:26:00.000-05:00I've been kind of obsessed with this since Geoff b...I've been kind of obsessed with this since Geoff brought up the idea - no one else seems to care, but hey - <A HREF="http://coveredblog.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">more cover versions of comics</A> (covers).<BR/><BR/>(See also: Matt Fraction's God-Size Thor special, uhhh, something else I forget.)Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14740669500899738381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-88033222641689157412009-01-15T06:03:00.000-05:002009-01-15T06:03:00.000-05:00Please tell me the illegible art isn't Carlos Pach...Please tell me the illegible art isn't Carlos Pachecho's. I love his Arrowsmith.Christian O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00444025571307204096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-54190345973565683742009-01-15T05:30:00.000-05:002009-01-15T05:30:00.000-05:00I loved the Batman stuff, but as I'm unfamiliar wi...I loved the Batman stuff, but as I'm unfamiliar with DC characters below the A-List and am unable to interpret a lot of the artwork, I found much of the rest to be incomprehensible.<BR/><BR/>I found myself enjoying all the bits I could intepret through words alone, but I had no idea why there was a tigger fight midway through.<BR/><BR/>So, uh, will Lois die now?<BR/><BR/>This does make me like RIP more, but my main irritation with that was all the media crap outside of the story promising a massive explosion of status quo destruction.sdelatovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09222734151570512788noreply@blogger.com