tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post7311114030980451868..comments2024-03-29T02:32:15.437-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Jason Powell on Uncanny X-Men #169Geoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-58905316834851074342015-10-04T22:40:32.986-04:002015-10-04T22:40:32.986-04:00Two things: Claremont is the man, and you sir, Jas...Two things: Claremont is the man, and you sir, Jason Powell, are the man for illuminating his work in a way I never imagined possible.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05850180973989295135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-19427477392834225602010-04-12T03:29:46.300-04:002010-04-12T03:29:46.300-04:00And technically, one of the kids isn't from an...And technically, one of the kids isn't from an alternate future, it IS his child...unless that too was retconned lolwwk5dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-25144853199793936132010-01-27T16:58:02.874-05:002010-01-27T16:58:02.874-05:00so too do the lines between one arc and the next b...<i>so too do the lines between one arc and the next blur as well, so that stories bleed into each other</i><br /><br />That, in a nutshell, is what I absolutely love about this era of the X-Men. Each issues feels less like a continuous, complete issue of a comic and more like a chapter in an ongoing narrative. <br /><br />@Doug <i>Read something 20 times when you're 16, and it stays with you. Read it once or twice when you're 20... not so much.</i><br /><br />Boy, ain't that the truth. <br /><br /><i>I mean, geez: the last time I looked, Scott had two kids from two different alternate futures, a third kid from an alternate present, and was related by marriage to Galactus.</i><br /><br />Different strokes, and all. That's one of the things I LOVE about Cyclops: this relatively straight-forward, down-to-earth character with a ridiculously complicated family tree. It's the kind of thing you only get in comics.Austin Gortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281239771248780430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-80007880736065443972008-10-05T21:44:00.000-04:002008-10-05T21:44:00.000-04:00Oh, you guys are hilarious!Oh, you guys are hilarious!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-43219561250300454542008-10-04T16:11:00.000-04:002008-10-04T16:11:00.000-04:00Michael: Harold, don't you have any other music , ...Michael: Harold, don't you have any other music , you know, from this century? <BR/><BR/>Harold: There is no other music, not in my house. <BR/><BR/>Michael: There's been a lot of terrific music in the last ten years. <BR/><BR/>Harold: Like what?<BR/><BR/>Ahem. My issues with Maddie go on for a while, but I'd probably start with these three:<BR/><BR/>-- she's boring;<BR/>-- she's a bad character concept;<BR/>-- she didn't fill a need, or otherwise bring much to the book.<BR/><BR/>I also have an individual and personal gripe against her, which I don't expect anyone else to share: Maddy's appearance marked the beginning of the baroque recomplication, bizarre even by the rococo standards of modern comics, of the Summers family tree. I mean, geez: the last time I looked, Scott had two kids from two different alternate futures, a third kid from an alternate present, and was related by marriage to Galactus. It's gone beyond a joke: googling "Scott Summers family tree" gives you over a million hits now, and it's listed on TV Tropes.<BR/><BR/>http://members.core.com/~mindset/tree.txt<BR/><BR/>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SummersFamilyTree<BR/><BR/>But this discussion probably belongs to a later thread.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doug M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-60495708259988119602008-10-04T01:13:00.000-04:002008-10-04T01:13:00.000-04:00Doug, I have faith you'll still have stuff to say!...Doug, I have faith you'll still have stuff to say! Plus I need to hear your issues with Maddie Pryor at some point!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-20723139625856670252008-10-03T17:19:00.000-04:002008-10-03T17:19:00.000-04:00Well, bother.I went over to marvel.com andhttp://m...Well, bother.<BR/><BR/>I went over to marvel.com and<BR/><BR/>http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/titles/Uncanny_X-Men.1963/page/5<BR/><BR/>-- and they only have a few of the issues between the end of Byrne and the early 200s. The Smith issues, just 4 out of 10 or so.<BR/><BR/>Well... darn. <BR/><BR/>This will make it hard for me to comment any more. I don't have these issues at hand, and -- more to the point -- I didn't line-read them over and over and over with fanboy intensity the way I did the 120s and 130s. <BR/><BR/>Read something 20 times when you're 16, and it stays with you. Read it once or twice when you're 20... not so much.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doug M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-92078694059184743352008-10-03T14:28:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:28:00.000-04:00Doug,Generally I have little patience for anything...Doug,<BR/><BR/>Generally I have little patience for anything where I have to read bios of characters that incorporate post-1991 ret-cons and revelations.<BR/><BR/>Example from that list: The entry on Forge begins "Jonathan Silvercloud was born blah blah blah..."<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, Jonathan who? Must be a friend of James Howlett and Erik Lenscherr.<BR/><BR/>Fie, I say!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-75677562211879786312008-10-03T14:20:00.000-04:002008-10-03T14:20:00.000-04:00"Y", she had to go. I don't know, she couldn't sta..."Y", she had to go. I don't know, she couldn't stay.<BR/><BR/>I don't know "Y" you say good-bye, I say "hello."<BR/><BR/>"Y" don't we do it in the road?<BR/><BR/>Et cetera ...Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-5816535977571516222008-10-03T09:28:00.000-04:002008-10-03T09:28:00.000-04:00jason: I think I've noticed it before. It's not a ...jason: I think I've noticed it before. It's not a big deal or anything, though. All you need is "y".neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-10527403389417164382008-10-03T05:02:00.000-04:002008-10-03T05:02:00.000-04:00Okay, I think I'm going to break down and do the m...Okay, I think I'm going to break down and do the marvel.com sub for just one month.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile: Jason, Geoff, have you seen this?<BR/><BR/>http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=237561<BR/><BR/>-- yes, it's a total fanboy thing, but Brian Cronin brings the snark. Snark with /love/.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Doug M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-8870585720345691322008-10-03T02:08:00.000-04:002008-10-03T02:08:00.000-04:00Oh, happy to, Mitch! I think I quote you again in...Oh, happy to, Mitch! I think I quote you again in a couple blogs down the line ...<BR/><BR/>Glad you're here, and glad you're commenting!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-59776703430050998442008-10-03T01:08:00.000-04:002008-10-03T01:08:00.000-04:00Jason-Sorry, I realize this is late, but thanks fo...Jason-<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I realize this is late, but thanks for pimping my X-traordinary People article last issue. <BR/><BR/>As far as this issue goes, I've always been very partial to the naked bathtub teleport rescue. Pure gold. Boy do I love these issues.Mitchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17731508853722652610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-37819496852924531282008-10-02T23:56:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:56:00.000-04:00But seriously -- sorry about that! I haven't spel...But seriously -- sorry about that! I haven't spelled it wrong in other entries, have I?Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-91012503528784873302008-10-02T23:55:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:55:00.000-04:00There's no way I can spell your name that can't be...There's no way I can spell your name that can't be spelled.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-82828137819992543602008-10-02T23:51:00.000-04:002008-10-02T23:51:00.000-04:00Oh, and, uh, jason? My last name has a 'y' at the ...Oh, and, uh, jason? My last name has a 'y' at the end, not an 'i'. :)neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-35887273728613369742008-10-02T18:02:00.000-04:002008-10-02T18:02:00.000-04:00Anon, yeah, exactly, those are two classic example...Anon, yeah, exactly, those are two classic examples of the Claremont trope in which two factions who were formerly at odds team up in the face of a third, greater threat.<BR/><BR/>Neil -- yeah, Claremont has to go through a lot of hoops to make the story "work" (such as it does), and it doesn't ever disguise the wrongness at its core, at least once it's been pointed out (as your essay did for me). In Claremont's defense, I think he recognized immediately that something was off, and that this led to Xavier's castigating the X-Men in the issue immediately after the Morlock story -- when the X-Men don't want to let Rogue in, Xavier's line is, "We pick and choose who we help, is that it?" A new layer is added to that line when you make it not just about Rogue but about the Morlocks as well.<BR/><BR/>Claremont would then immediately get back to the Morlock tunnels as soon as "From the Ashes" was over, for a story that again saw the X-Men being examined. Thus, in Uncanny #179, their propensity to attack (mutants) first and ask questions later is criticized by Kitty, and Kitty's own shabby treatment of Caliban is exposed by Callisto.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-20152836176129407642008-10-02T13:41:00.000-04:002008-10-02T13:41:00.000-04:00Interesting point about Claremont blurring the lin...Interesting point about Claremont blurring the line between heroes and villains. This will show up when the Hellfire Club actually helps the X-Men fight Nimrod, and also when Freedom Force helps the X-Men fight the Adversary and the Reavers. They were on the verge of being heroes before lesser writers snapped them back into two-dimensional, generic villain mode.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-21838912383920356342008-10-02T12:57:00.000-04:002008-10-02T12:57:00.000-04:00"Actually, in more prosaic plot-terms, they a..."Actually, in more prosaic plot-terms, they are figured as villains because inside of the first five pages they commit breaking & entering, kidnapping and attempted murder."<BR/><BR/>Touché, Jason. :) Though I think that this is a necessary stop in the plot - if the Morlocks aren't immediately characterized as "bad", then they may very well be too pathetic/sympathetic. And then Nightcrawler's later lecture, which I despise, won't seem deserved.neilshyminskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.com