tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post7672713642488096394..comments2024-03-29T02:32:15.437-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Scott on "...And Justice for All" and the Spookiness of MetalGeoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-36903070930014417162008-10-17T09:48:00.000-04:002008-10-17T09:48:00.000-04:00Scott, have you heard of hauntological music? It’s...Scott, have you heard of <A HREF="http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/007230.html" REL="nofollow">hauntological music</A>? It’s spectral and spooky in a different sense to your post, but there’s a connection there. Warren Eillis has spoken about it before as well.<BR/><BR/>I love Metalocalypse, mainly for the name Nathan Explosion. And the Swedish (Norwegian?) lead guitarist. <BR/><BR/>I loved metal, black metal, grind etc. for many years, but now I'm more of a Melvins/Asva/Wolf Eyes kind of guy when I do actually listen to metal.<BR/><BR/>But ...And Justice For All and me go way back, and Blackened is still one of the most terrifying songs you can ever hear when you're twelve years old. And this is directly due to the production, which I always thought was one of the album's strengths: abrasive, mean and actually quite oppressive (which is counter-intuitive considering there's no low end). <BR/><BR/>The jump from this to the black album is totally mad. I dislike the black album ultimately for its complete overexposure, and the obviousness of a lot of it (plus things like Enter Sandman, Don't Tread On Me and Of Wolf and Man are unbelievably cheesey). Whereas ...Justice still makes me feel like I've been in a fight once Dier's Eve finally quits. (It's better to listen to this on cassette as the point of flipping sides is much welcome).<BR/><BR/>Ultimate Matt - I've been meaning to read Lords of Chaos for a few years. And mock-BM bands are good fun but really that scene is beyond parody. Immortal have been making fun of that scene (without really realising) for years. And yet even so, "Sons of Northern Darkness" is the best anthemic, pop black metal album ever made.<BR/><BR/>Jesus, for someone who doesn't really like metal I am a <I>nerd</I>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-67852327651635383112008-10-15T14:14:00.000-04:002008-10-15T14:14:00.000-04:00Oh, man, I love Metalocalypse, and I don't even li...Oh, man, I love Metalocalypse, and I don't even like metal. I wouldn't listen to any of the music outside of the show (except for the one song in Guitar Hero 2). But the characters and plots are all hilarious, and I love the way it usually just turns into graphic violence perpetrated on the fans, crew members, and innocent bystanders.<BR/><BR/>But mostly, I was just disappointed that this post wasn't somehow about the Al Pacino movie.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13867868039166531163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-63106826695393892192008-10-15T01:11:00.000-04:002008-10-15T01:11:00.000-04:00There's a really good book called "Lords of Chaos"...There's a really good book called "Lords of Chaos" (I can't recall the author's name) about the growth of the norwegian black metal scene, and all the church burnings and murders in the 90's there. <BR/><BR/>Also, if you happen to be familiar with Norwegian/Swedish Black Metal, look for a band called :Impaled Northern Moon Forest". It makes fun of the music and the scene BRILLIANTLY, and it's hilarious. I probably don't get all offended over that because I never really cared about that scene any way, but "Impaled..." outdoes Metalacalypse, both in terms of humor and being totally inaccesible by non-fans.Matt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780688232878059439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-55691244626287498122008-10-14T22:03:00.000-04:002008-10-14T22:03:00.000-04:00Hey Neil!Since it's one of your areas of study, wh...Hey Neil!<BR/><BR/>Since it's one of your areas of study, what are your thoughts on Heavy Metal in relation to masculinity and white masculinity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-35642870695421088432008-10-14T21:44:00.000-04:002008-10-14T21:44:00.000-04:00To tie this in to the Metalocalypse (did I spell i...To tie this in to the Metalocalypse (did I spell it right Sara?) discussion... what we're discussing here is exactly what the show is poking fun at: The idea of "How Metal can you get?" i.e. how fast the leads, how heavy the riffs, how indecipherable the lyrics... it seems to be to more alienated the general public is the better.<BR/><BR/>The closest real life example that I can think of are the swedish 'Black Metal' bands where, apprently, the occultism and devil worship is taken beyond mere 'superficial theatrics' (church burnings and murders have been linked to the scene). Even then, from what I've read, this could still be scene as a sort of theatrics... just one taken to an unacceptable extreme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-85351987410246487732008-10-14T21:20:00.000-04:002008-10-14T21:20:00.000-04:00I like the Black album, it's just not musically un...I like the Black album, it's just not musically unassailable like the first 4. And yeah, it's a ridiculous statement. I once spoke to a dude who felt they sold out with Ride the Lightning, just to show you how insane some people in the scene are.Matt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780688232878059439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-34710566935005565592008-10-14T13:01:00.000-04:002008-10-14T13:01:00.000-04:00For the record, I love the Black Album... for my m...For the record, I love the Black Album... for my money, that and Pyromania are the two finest pop-metal albums of all time... I find it interesting that anyone could find ...And Justice For All to be their sellout point. Yes, they made a music video... so they were going for commercial success but, musically, it seems to me they actually became LESS accessible on this album (the Black Album had obvious commercial aspirations). After all, what sounds more 'radio freindly' "For Whom The Bell Tolls" or "Blackened"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-80636344742044083002008-10-14T00:17:00.000-04:002008-10-14T00:17:00.000-04:00metal-oca-lypsemetal-oca-lypsesara d. reisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18229743478023552805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-61545160812531333812008-10-13T23:25:00.000-04:002008-10-13T23:25:00.000-04:00I always liked it. The production always annoyed m...I always liked it. The production always annoyed me as well, but as you say, the quality of the musicianship overpowers that anyway. A lot of "true" metalheads point to that as where Metallica started to sell out, which is why I have distanced myself over the years from the "metal" scene - it's the most secular, bitchy environment I've ever been a part of. Actaully, that aspect of Metalacalypse I kind of like - it makes fun of how goofy some metalheads are. I think that's why I dislike it - it depresses me and makes me uncomfortable that not only is this how metal is perceived, but in a few cases, they're dead on.<BR/><BR/>That minor rant aside, it's a good album, the last truly great Metallica album (the black album was good, but the cracks were starting to show). Master of Puppets is their masterpiece, as far as I'm concerned.Matt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780688232878059439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-16957935160934518522008-10-13T22:08:00.000-04:002008-10-13T22:08:00.000-04:00I saw Brendon Small perform a few years back (befo...I saw Brendon Small perform a few years back (before Metalcacolypse aired) and his set consisted solely of songs from the show. Since the lyrics were completely incomprehensible, it was not particularly enjoyable.<BR/><BR/>Also, don't let John Darnielle's enthusiasm for bands fool you. His taste in music is fairly questionable. No matter how eloquently he defends the Goodie Mob (for example), I'm not sure it's enough to convince me that they're anything special.<BR/><BR/>However, if you're going out shopping for 33 1/3 books, pick up the one on Elvis Costello's <I>Armed Forces</I> that Franklin Bruno (John Darnielle's bandmate in the Extra Glenns, as well as a talented musician/writer in his own right) wrote.plahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00503015422341841588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-17984440102775992382008-10-13T21:31:00.000-04:002008-10-13T21:31:00.000-04:00Ultimate Matt,As someone who considers themselves ...Ultimate Matt,<BR/><BR/>As someone who considers themselves a 'lifelong metalhead' what is your take on ...And Justice For All? <BR/><BR/>Myself being only a more casual fan of the Metal...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-89882542509087904612008-10-13T21:24:00.000-04:002008-10-13T21:24:00.000-04:00Re: Metalocalypse,Yeah, there's just something I f...Re: Metalocalypse,<BR/><BR/>Yeah, there's just something I find annoying about the voices on that show... half the time I can barely make out what's being said because I too distracted by the voices...<BR/><BR/>There was recently a really great moment though.... I can't remember it verbatim but it went something like this:<BR/><BR/>Saftey Inspector: Were you aware that your servants live in conditions of compelte sqaulor.<BR/><BR/>Band: Yeah... that's, like, metal.<BR/><BR/>Inspector: Well were you aware that they often resort to cannibalism to keep from starving? Is that Metal?<BR/><BR/>Band: Yes<BR/><BR/>Inspector: Well how about falling into the machinery so that they are cut into tiny shreads? Is that Metal?<BR/><BR/>Band: Uhm, yeah... it kind is.<BR/><BR/>Inspector: And then having their rotting pieces float and filter into the air ducts of your compound? Is that Metal?<BR/><BR/>Band: Yes<BR/><BR/>Inspector: Oh, I'm sorry... I didn't realize that was metal... cary on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-41311825657017624502008-10-13T20:40:00.000-04:002008-10-13T20:40:00.000-04:00I'm a big, lifelong metalhead, and even I get sick...I'm a big, lifelong metalhead, and even I get sick of metalacolypse after about 5 minutes, tops, of any given episode.Matt Jacobsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17780688232878059439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-20292411462063164612008-10-13T20:27:00.000-04:002008-10-13T20:27:00.000-04:00Hm, then I guess it is indeed a metal thing. (I'm...Hm, then I guess it is indeed a metal thing. (I'm unversed in that musical genre as well.)Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-39309492146489910042008-10-13T20:22:00.000-04:002008-10-13T20:22:00.000-04:00yeah but people i know, like and trust really like...yeah but people i know, like and trust really like it.Geoff Klockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-10504381013988095732008-10-13T20:20:00.000-04:002008-10-13T20:20:00.000-04:00"I am not even sure I really get Metalocalypse."Is..."I am not even sure I really get Metalocalypse."<BR/><BR/>Is this really cause for concern? That show is pretty awful, from what I've seen. (I mean, I know it's by Brendon Small, who did some great things in Home Movies, but still ... it doesn't excuse the nonsensical ramblings of Metalocalypse.)Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298753675007196538noreply@blogger.com