tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post1724276225359582708..comments2024-03-29T02:32:15.437-04:00Comments on Remarkable: Alan Moore on Blackest Night and the reusing of ideas in comicsGeoff Klockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09080580776997273785noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-30378795358950552722009-12-01T00:47:57.915-05:002009-12-01T00:47:57.915-05:00Q: Who did Kirby steal from?
A: Lou Fine.Q: Who did Kirby steal from?<br />A: Lou Fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-21913798801901726422009-11-24T02:47:45.726-05:002009-11-24T02:47:45.726-05:00Sorry, I answered out of turn -- that question was...Sorry, I answered out of turn -- that question was for <i>fans</i> of Geoff Johns.<br /><br />I shouldn't've responded: "Up, Up, And Away" is just about the only thing he's done that I <i>do</i> like.plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-55111771823087417562009-11-24T00:48:38.258-05:002009-11-24T00:48:38.258-05:00I'd start with Rebirth, it has to deal with so...I'd start with Rebirth, it has to deal with some messy continuity stuff, but does a good job of setting up the characters and world he deals with in the ongoing. <br /><br />And, if you want a more definitive guide to Johns' work, and some reading suggestions, Tim Callahan did a Johns Top 10 list a month or so ago: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23449 Could be worth a look if you're looking for your ideal Johns book.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04702965396185870813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-81765198559989710612009-11-23T23:31:53.501-05:002009-11-23T23:31:53.501-05:00Patrick,
Do you mean Green Lanter: Rebirth or the...Patrick,<br /><br />Do you mean Green Lanter: Rebirth or the first arc of the ongoing?scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-57954326166842655482009-11-23T17:54:03.368-05:002009-11-23T17:54:03.368-05:00I think 52 is the best thing he was involved in, t...I think 52 is the best thing he was involved in, though how much of that was his contribution and how much was others is hard to say. <br /><br />For me personally, Infinite Crisis is his best solo work. It's definitely got all the bad things that people mention here, an intense insularity, functioning as nothing but a riff on a 25 year old story that was already one of the most insular comics of all time, but if you get past trying to 'understand' all of it, it works great on the level of pure crazy superhero spectacle that's absurd at times, but also a lot of fun.<br /><br />But, I also like the first book of his Green Lantern run, that's a good starting point if you've already tried and disliked Infinite Crisis.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04702965396185870813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-90956429265173774782009-11-23T08:18:08.818-05:002009-11-23T08:18:08.818-05:00I liked "Up, Up, And Away", myself. It&...I liked "Up, Up, And Away", myself. It's got all the typical Johns faults, but it's pretty winsome for all that.plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-10512356791824608672009-11-22T17:07:01.521-05:002009-11-22T17:07:01.521-05:00Hurray! 100 comments! Huzzah!
I have a request ...Hurray! 100 comments! Huzzah!<br /><br />I have a request for fans of Geoff johns. Please recommend the ONE Johns book that I should read that will convert me to a believer. I've tried to get into his work several times - but he always leaves me a bit cold. <br /><br />**StreeboMutantville Productionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09112041440515407287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-47206447638680374852009-11-22T05:23:44.162-05:002009-11-22T05:23:44.162-05:00Sorry, but I cannot look at that "99 Comments...Sorry, but I cannot look at that "99 Comments" thing for ONE MORE SECOND, it is driving me batty.plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-42024757598941813382009-11-21T11:19:33.482-05:002009-11-21T11:19:33.482-05:00Kirby was an innovator, but he did at times use ph...Kirby was an innovator, but he did at times use photoreferences, used actual photos in The Fourth World, bits of Mayan architecture and so forth. That's what the stealing refers to. Stealing from other medias and making it your own.<br /><br />Which Liefeld, clearly, isn't capable of.Christian O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00444025571307204096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-69122182345038254022009-11-20T23:43:21.275-05:002009-11-20T23:43:21.275-05:00Len Wein and Marv Wolfman said they saw him sit do...Len Wein and Marv Wolfman said they saw him sit down and <i>just draw</i> a big old FF splash page, starting at the top left-hand corner and moving down across to the bottom right-hand corner. No sketching, no roughing.<br /><br />As a concept man, though, he was a great troller of the oceans, from the X-Men to Kamandi to the Eternals. The X-Men story's particularly interesting, I've lost the link but apparently Kirby just took an old SF story and ran with it in about the same way he later took Planet of the Apes and Chariots of the Gods.<br /><br />But it's what you <i>do</i> with it all that defines you, as I seem to keep saying.plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-66513096838065269602009-11-20T23:20:54.840-05:002009-11-20T23:20:54.840-05:00Ah, I thought you were talking in terms of artisti...Ah, I thought you were talking in terms of artistic style, I mean, I'm sure there was stealing there too but, in terms of comic book art, he was always one of the great innovators.Scott McDarmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635278219643824124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86113955256231250802009-11-20T21:49:18.016-05:002009-11-20T21:49:18.016-05:00Science-fiction authors!Science-fiction authors!plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-89942407044964394722009-11-20T11:26:46.512-05:002009-11-20T11:26:46.512-05:00Liefeld stole from Kirby quite a bit... only he st...Liefeld stole from Kirby quite a bit... only he stole all the wrong parts and did them badly... Who did Kirby steal from though?Scott McDarmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635278219643824124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-10544842226666023782009-11-20T09:31:12.276-05:002009-11-20T09:31:12.276-05:00Great Wally Wood quote, Christian. Never heard th...Great Wally Wood quote, Christian. Never heard that before. <br /><br />**StreeboMutantville Productionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09112041440515407287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-56835865830706522072009-11-20T08:11:36.917-05:002009-11-20T08:11:36.917-05:00The Picasso quote is interesting, because it's...The Picasso quote is interesting, because it's actually more about assimilating what's good about other stuff (stealing as in making it your own property) and less about borrowing it (thus, it not actually belonging to you.)<br /><br />There, I just got us two posts closer to Congratulatory-Victory-for-the-People.Christian O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00444025571307204096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-16742716594139314292009-11-20T08:09:37.136-05:002009-11-20T08:09:37.136-05:00"Never draw what you can copy; never copy wha..."Never draw what you can copy; never copy what you can trace; never trace what you can photostat and paste down." - Wally Wood<br /><br />I wish more people, when they stole, were less Rob Liefeld and Greg Land and more Wally Wood and Jack Kirby.Christian O.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00444025571307204096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-21811334985655728232009-11-19T23:44:17.776-05:002009-11-19T23:44:17.776-05:00“Good artists copy, great artists steal." Pi...“Good artists copy, great artists steal." Picasso.<br /><br />**StreeboMutantville Productionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09112041440515407287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-68698228687483421912009-11-19T08:42:49.093-05:002009-11-19T08:42:49.093-05:00"Every Artist is a Cannibal, Every poet is a ..."Every Artist is a Cannibal, Every poet is a thief, all kill their inspiration and sing about their grief..."Scott McDarmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635278219643824124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-74585543897376820362009-11-19T08:29:08.535-05:002009-11-19T08:29:08.535-05:00Everybody, of course! There are no lone gunmen in...Everybody, of course! There are no lone gunmen in art, are there?plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-74183322822562355092009-11-19T08:23:36.840-05:002009-11-19T08:23:36.840-05:00plok: Who? Alan Moore or Geoff Johns? Or Orson ...plok: Who? Alan Moore or Geoff Johns? Or Orson Welles? Heh.<br /><br />**StreeboMutantville Productionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09112041440515407287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-86014856417618052302009-11-19T08:09:54.575-05:002009-11-19T08:09:54.575-05:00You see?You see?plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-27003817295701948892009-11-19T08:05:00.934-05:002009-11-19T08:05:00.934-05:00D'oh!D'oh!scottmcdarmontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-554357903100557942009-11-18T23:11:06.748-05:002009-11-18T23:11:06.748-05:00Scott, don't jinx it like that!Scott, don't jinx it like that!plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-69864919985935235802009-11-17T23:19:07.568-05:002009-11-17T23:19:07.568-05:00Keep this thread going guys! I think we can break...Keep this thread going guys! I think we can break the 100 mark!Scott McDarmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17635278219643824124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23042008.post-11903862860996757092009-11-17T22:53:21.550-05:002009-11-17T22:53:21.550-05:00Well, he is always borrowing from someone else...Well, he <i>is</i> always borrowing from someone else...plokhttp://circumstantial.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com